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We have some thirty hours of recorded conversations with Shivabalayogi; some recorded on video, most recorded on a portable cassette player.

These are excerpts by subject matter taken from various different recordings.

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Seattle, May 31, 1990 (B. Allaka translating)

SBY     So if you have a little bit loud[?] wise, a little bit energy, it will be a little bit good. So you have to have a little bit of rhythm or . . . You got to go fast, you got to go slow, you have that he can show you what astral bodies are, and what bhava . . . “Bhava samadhi.”

D         Good. [What?]

B          Bhava

SBY     If Swamiji gives a trance to Maisie, like Hanuman, you know, Hanuman trance. She will climb any tree. [laughter]

D         So does Swamiji then send his astral body to our bhajans?

SBY     So in bhajans when you get astral bodies, like bhava sometimes, he has astral bodies in them, so he will be in front of you.

Seattle, June, 1990  (B. Allaka translating; the sharp sound is Swamiji slapping his hands as he talks.)

B          He says the people who do bhajans, he [D] is asking about bhajans, and he [Swamiji] says there are three steps: slow, medium fast, and fast. That’s how the energy rises up. Just like a car, one two three gears.

D         Is that the same energy that rises in meditation?

SBY     “Ah yes, yes.”  Both energies the same. And you will have good meditation. You should have the same music and song, same music for playing . . .

D         Same music as what?

SBY     Your song should suit the harmonium, or tablas, and things. The same music should be . . .. The song as well as the music should be the same. It should suit the song. Everything, the harmonium, tablas, and cymbals. So when you are singing slow, the tablas should be slow, the harmonium should be slow, the cymbals should be slow. And you are going to medium fast, even this should go medium fast, faster, and faster. Everything should go faster.

D         Is it that Swamiji creates all this energy and we just tap into it, with the music?

SBY     “Yes.”  Yes. You shouldn’t get down. You have to keep the same . . .. In India, actually, if you go down you get banged by the [people in] bhava samadhi. They’ll come and . . .. They hit you, you know. The bhava samadhis they come and hit you. If the bhajans goes wrong, or goes a bit slow, or something. Because he has not started yet giving bhava samadhi in America. If he starts giving them it will be really good.

D         So he has not started yet.

B          He has not started.

SBY     So once he starts, then the bhajans should be good. If something goes wrong with the bhajans then . . . So whichever way you think, slow or fast, the same music should go. If you are singing slow, the music should not be fast. It should be correct. It should not be out of order like slow and fast. Have control.

D            Control.

SBY            [without translation]  “Yes.”

D            Practice.

SBY            [without translation]  “No practice, buddhi.”

D            Buddhi?

SBY            [without translation]  “Yes”

D            Intellect.

SBY     It doesn’t matter how much you practice, if you don’t use your proper mind at that time. Control . . ..  Have to be in balance.

(D. Jagadish Kumar translating)

D         How does Swamiji know if he is in samadhi?

SBY     He says even in samadhi, even meditation, all your stories he will come to know.

D         All my stories?

SBY     “Yes.”

J           All that you do that, everything he knows.

SBY     He says the astral body which gets you the energy, when you are doing the bhajans. You get the energy through the astral body. So it is his astral body who brings you that energy. Through that he comes to know what is happening. You know Terry, who is staying here? Now he got the trance. He tried to control it a lot but he could not. He came and told Swamiji.  Swamiji told him that he should not try to control it. So there was no need to control it.

SBY     He is letting us know how to differentiate between people who are in trance and who aren’t. He says those who are really in trance, who are in bhava samadhi, their face will glow. You can easily see a glow in their face. Their face becomes bright. Whereas those who are not in trance, who are just playing a drama, acting, their face becomes dark, without light. If you just look at the person you will come to know whether it is true trance or whether it is just drama.

D         Well, Swamiji may see light. I see faces. I’ll just play the music.

SBY     He says everybody will come to know whether the person is really in trance or not. All the public comes to know of it, because of the glow that they have in the face.

SBY     He says you pray to Swamiji, you salute to Swamiji, you prostrate to Swamiji, and then you do the arthi to Swamiji’s photograph, and then you start the bhajans.

D         After meditation and before bhajans?

SBY     [Before any translation] “Yes.”